Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Bare minimum, low effort. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. Official Description. Read about the differences between Britain, the. 1948 -. Feb 1, 2020. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. You are using an out of date browser. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . What is of 2020s Britain then? JavaScript is disabled. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. I really quite like that now. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Make the name central and it'd be perfect. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. Could GBRTT be right for you? It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Not so much the modern LNER though. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. Thanks. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Erm are you sure about that? But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! It does because it's public perception. It looks like BR. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. 1948 -. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. But theres no particular reason this should be. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. Heh. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. It does look better than red. 3 Apr 2022 . The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! It's the name of the island ffs. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. You are using an out of date browser. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. But do we really want to go back to that? The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. The current lot is an absolute mess. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. The Union Jack will represent. The attachments illustrate this. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. We use cookies. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. It still has to look good decades from now. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Then theres the question of livery. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. 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