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Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said Thursday that McReynolds is no longer the focus of any suspicion in the Ramsey case. I've been quite interested in the Jonbenet case for a few years, and have watched a lot of more mainstream content about what could have happened to her. One of the suspects investigated and cleared early on by authorities in JonBenet's death was family friend and neighbor Bill McReynolds, a man who had evidently been hired by Patsy to play Santa . The Ramseys refused to cooperate with police. I've asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBent gave me with my ashes. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. He said: "I don't know what to say to that, because I know that's not what happened. -Why, when the money was just sitting in the bank anyway?? When you do though, the intruder theory makes the most sense and has the better scientific evidence. A little boy who was a special friend had been murdered several years previously (Thomas). Services: Memorial service, 2 p.m. Dec. 29, Wayside Chapel Evangelical Free Church, 1705 NW Loop 410. Detectives probing the intruder theory have investigated sex offenders as far away as California and looked into the surreal world of kiddie pageants but a credible suspect has yet to emerge. ", The daughter: On December 26, 1974, twenty-two years before JonBent was reported kidnapped on December 26, 1996, the nine-year-old daughter of Janet McReynolds, the wife of Bill McReynolds, was kidnapped. "In late November, Helgoth had told me that he and a partner were going to make a great deal and they each will bring in around $50,000 or $60,000," he told theDaily Mail. McReynolds had heart surgery in August 1996. Bill McReynolds, 67, said he had nothing to do with the killing and said his wife "could never be a suspect." He said his daughter's abduction and his wife's play are just coincidences. The Ramseys, however, called McReynolds a suspect in their book "Death of Innocence: The Untold Story of JonBenet's Murder and How its Exploitation Compromised the Pursuit of Truth. DNA material found in JonBenets underwear, believed to be a trace of semen, reportedly did not match samples provided by any family members or friends. The only play the public has been made aware of was Hey Rube which was based on the true story ofSylvia Likens, a young girl who was held captive in an Indiana basement in 1965. You may be able to find the same content in another format, or you may be able to find more information, at their web site. McReynolds's own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Even more suspicious, McReynolds's middle daughter and her friend had been abducted 22 years prior to JonBent's death to the day. September 5, 2002. She was named after her parents, John Bennett . http://www.utexas.edu/courses/wilson/ant304/projects/projects97/dentep/boglindow.htm. Some of these suspects include Bill McReynolds and John Mark Karr. It's not easy to unpack all of that garbage and approach the case with fresh eyes. I don't know anyone who did who believes the "Intruder" theory. Why? Kolar claimedBurke lashed out at his sister with a torch when he realised she had stolen some of his pineapple chunks. In 2018-19, her daughter Kim and son-in-law Dennis Gonzalez, also moved to Longmont. 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He loved his job. The new Discovery Channel programme'JonBenet: An American Murder Mystery' examines the evidence that suggests bearded Bill may have been behind her death. I know the BPD claims the family gave them blood samples but, were they tested? There's no doubt about it. Some speculated that Patsy, demanding perfection from the pint-sized pageant winner, flew into a rage when JonBenet wet her bed one time too many. To me it feels as though there's at least a lot of information about his relationship with Jonbenet that would be worthwhile including in documentaries etc. How do they know that wasnt the same cord he was using? It was by chance that McReynolds found his home at WOAI. But that wasnt what piqued police interest. The second girl was molested. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but from what I've seen most IDI people actually started out RDI. Ollie Gray, a private investigator hired by the family, claimed in April that the killer was Michael Helgoth, a then 26-year-old whose family owned a junkyard in the city. Ramseys' former neighbor who played Santa to the . He would never fully recover from that kind of suspicion.". JonBent had led McReynolds by the hand on a tour of the house during the 1995 Christmas party, including her bedroom and the basement to see where the Christmas trees were kept, and had given him a vial of glittery stardust to sprinkle in his beard. Bill and Janet McReynolds left Colorado in 1998 and settled on Cape Cod. His wife, Janet McReynolds, eventually gave Gosage the cord, and Ron knew instantly that it wasnt the same type used by the killer of JonBent. He didnt remember, it was so long ago, about twenty-five years. (Steve Thomas in reference to Bill), Jessie McReynolds (the son): He had done two and a half years in an Arizona prison for conspiracy, aggravated robbery and kidnapping and had no corroborated alibi for Christmas night 1996. Where is this info coming from? Other suspects included neighbor Bill McReynolds, a local Santa Claus who visited the Ramseys a few days before the girl's death. 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Healso revealed that Burkehad scarred his sibling just one year earlier after whacking her with a golf club. Joe Barnhill claimed he saw John Andrew Ramsey outside the home. "Statements like that led me to have some sort of suspicion: What was going on between Santa Bill and JonBent? Ithink if Burke was upset about circumstances or Christmas presents, he probably would have been upset about her trying to snag a piece of pineapple - out of anger he may have struck her with that flashlight.". He was born on a farm near Seymour, in North Texas, and spent his days working alongside his family picking cotton and tending to the land. "This was her speculation based on what she claimed she went through as a child. Janet is a movie critic. He played Santa at the Ramseys in 94, 95 and 96. He was just so devastated by the mere idea anyone would suspect him of a crime," she said. (BPD Reports #1-1874, #26-144, #1-41, #1-162, #1-204, #1-304, #1-2622, #5-297, #5-371, #5-2202) Could that Secret Santa have been the killer and someone JonBent knew? Not only was Helgoth seen wearing shoes similar to those ina footprint found in the Ramseys'basement, but one of Helgoth's former coworkers also claimed that he'd been acting incredibly suspiciously around the time of the murder. The woman said that on Christmas Eve day in 1996, JonBent said Santa had told her he was going to make a secret visit to her after Christmas. He secured a place on staff when someone resigned the day he came into the office to inquire about a job. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} He earned his doctorate in American Studies and was hired by CU's journalism department in 1968. He's also said gave her a note that said the pageant-winning tot would receive a "special gift" at Christmas. Production crews rebuilt the relevant parts of the house in a warehouse and used state-of-the-art technology so the team of experts could test out the theories about JonBenets violent death. Further, McReynold's amateur playwright wife is said to have penned a piece of work in 1974 about the murder of a teen whose body is discovered in a basement -- just as JonBenet's was. Uploaded by An astonishing six-second call snippet in which a voice can be heard to say 'What did you do?' In A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBent's Killer, psychologist Andrew G. Hodgesargues that one possibility in the murder is that Patsy Ramsey caught her husband molesting JonBenet, and hit her in a fit of rage. When did that happen? McReynolds "had written a card to JonBenet that was found in her trash can after the murder. Any additional thoughts or insight would be appreciated. I love you. If I could recommend anything to anyone who still wants to think Bill McReynolds had anything to do with this, its the last episode of the Listen Carefully podcast where the hosts interview his daughter & discuss this whole crime. "He has not been on our radar screen for a while," Beckner said. But less than a month later, Star retracted its explosive report after prosecutors said Burke, who has his own lawyer, was not considered a suspect. It just seems really unlikely to me that he could have managed all that activity, going up and downstairs, and not making enough noise to disturb anyone. JonBenet's brother then says: "What did you find?" After a stint in the Army, McReynolds returned to his alma mater and taught for five years before moving to Minneapolis to attend the University of Minnesota. Trip DeMuth stood at the gas station with his arms crossed, watching them drive away. (Thomas). On the other hand, I know several people who seem like they have an axe to grind. In early 1990s the Ramseys spent $700,000 just to build the third story master suite onto their mansion! With the evidence inconclusive or compromised, legal experts hold out little hope police will ever close the case. He also said the family conspired to cover it up by fabricating a ransom letter and a kidnap story. Bill McReynolds was found dead in his Mashpee, Mass., home Monday by his wife, Janet, when she returned from a weekend trip. MSNBC Nov. 4 Patsy Ramsey has been telling people that she. Cutting-edge technology has been used to record a conversation after Mrs Ramsey had called to report her daughter's disappearance. Being there tells a million words.. If the BPD had evidence that the Ramseys killed their daughter, why have they looked at other people as serious suspects?? One-time person of interest Gary Oliva, 52, was held on child pornography charges this June. I was in my 20s when she was murdered and am strongly IDI. Gosage took it back down the hill to the gas station and handed it to the technician from the CBI. Beyond the physical evidence, the couples behavior in the early hours and days of the investigation was disturbing to some observers. He considered the Ramseys as friends, he loved children and didnt mean any harm to them, he may have been a little weird but he was already old in 1996 by the time JonBenet was killed, and in poor health. He got it wrong. Thanks for contacting us. Well that's not surprising since anyone around back then would have been exposed to a massive amount "RDI" media spin. Follow the evidence and youll see it doesnt lead to him. Like you won't find any evidence, because I didn't do it.. The unsolved JonBenet Ramsey case is not even a blip on most of today's readers' radar screens. There's no doubt about it.". This story has been shared 137,743 times. Serving as the crew chief in the Winston Cup until 2000, McReynolds . Gosage was met by an irate Jesse McReynolds, who said he was sick of you guys trying to frame my dad. Bill McReynolds, distraught, weeping, and saying, I didnt do anything, refused to come to the door. Investigators found 38 registered sex offenders living within a three-kilometre radius of the Ramseys home. In a March 2, 1997, story in the Rocky Mountain News, Bill and Janet McReynolds denied any responsibility for JonBenet's murder. In 1977, Janet gave a local paper an interview and said "I've always been interested in the way victims frequentlyseem to seek their own death, or to deliberately choose their own murderer. He was found with a photo of JonBenet in his backpack in December 2000 along with a stun gun, which he said had been given to him by a friend. Heres how the case stacks up against some of the would-be suspects: JOHN AND PATSY RAMSEYMUCH of the mountain of evidence collected in the JonBenet Ramsey case leads nowhere but several key pieces point toward the millionaire entrepreneur and the former Miss West Virginia. That afternoon, JonBenets father John found his childs small, strangled body bound and gagged in the family basement, by which time friends and family had trampled through the house, destroying forensic evidence forever. Chat Forum Both of these men were on the suspect list for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey due to strange connections police investigators found. But currently, he's not a suspect.". To date, John and Patsy Ramsey, the enigmatic parents of the slain youngster, have repeatedly been publicly named as suspects by authorities. Bill McReynolds AKA "Santa Bill". Both were released within hours. 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