From the North: U.S. Hwy 89 Ill definitely pm you sooner than later. This bird was first documented in 12B in Paria Canyon, but has since been regularly observed along the Kanab Creek/ Snake Gulch drainage. Cold nights are the norm in all seasons, specially in non summer months. These early hunts can be difficult because the deer are typically located in areas of formidable cover and are not easily located or glassed. The majority of Chukar observed along the rim of the Paria Plateau are in the vicinity of Bush Head, Powells Monument, and Fisher Point. Elk seasons are described in the pronghorn antelope and elk regulations. As turkeys fly off the roost in the early pre-dawn, often the most active period of the day, they may provide a hunter the best opportunity to call in a wary old longbeard. Create a free account to read the rest of this terrain note! Areas: The Buckskin Mountains in the central portion of the unit contains the highest densities of deer and is best to hunt after mid-October. No motor vehicles are allowed in the Paria Canyon/Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness Area. Bachelor herds are typically broken up by this hunt and bucks can be relatively evenly distributed throughout the plateau. That is a huge area to even begin to scout. The Department reminds hunters that bison within these hunt areas are at low densities or may not be present during the hunt. Bachelor herds are typically broken up by this hunt and bucks can be relatively evenly distributed throughout the plateau. Deer are can be found in the open sagebrush flats, but not until snow pushes them out of the trees. The majority of the unit is public land administered by the Bureau of Land Management, Arizona Strip District, 345 E. Riverside Drive, St. George, Utah 84770, phone (435) 688-3200. Current data indicates that buck:doe ratios are excellent. Some lions have been harvested incidental to these other activities. Approximately 20% of Arizona's elk hunting opportunity is found in this unit. Finally, enjoy the finest terrain, climate, and surroundings that nature has to offer, the Kaibab Plateau. Areas: During the spring turkey hunt significant winter snowfall can affect access and often dictates hunting locations. Camping is allowed in designated areas and within 30 of open roadways on Forest Service administered lands throughout the unit. Does that sound confusing? Overview: According to David Brown in Arizona Game Birds the Blue grouse is a native of the Kaibab Plateau and restricted locals in the White Mountains. Finally, enjoy the finest terrain, climate, and surroundings that nature has to offer, the Kaibab Plateau. If you plan on hunting in higher elevation, as a rule of thumb, expect the tempture to decrease roughly 5 for every 1000' in elevation gain. And that 20% species distribution may lie 100% within private lands. Walking and stalking in areas determined by scouting to hold bachelor herds of bucks can be exciting and productive. The current population estimate is around 250 bighorn sheep. Areas: During the spring turkey hunt significant winter snowfall can affect access and often dictates hunting locations. Hunters are required to report their mountain lion harvest information to the Arizona Game and Fish Department within 48 hours of taking a mountain lion. On National Park Service lands, camping is restricted to designated areas. Use common sense; dont take shortcuts as they often take a lot longer than the more sensible route. I don't know if there is a worse hunt to be drawn for to be honest. One . As the weather continues to cool down and the snow fall increases, Kaibab deer from the western portion of the plateau move down towards Pigeon Canyon, Toothpick Ridge and Gunsight Point, making this area best after early November. After an opening day of this activity plan on spending the next nine days in the same manner. JavaScript is disabled. Do you have landowner tags, lease land, or have an lodge? Alluvial sandy soils occur throughout most of the unit and vegetation is sparse, consisting mainly of sagebrush at lower elevations and pinyon-juniper trees at higher elevations. The squirrel is dark in color, has tufted ears, and has a large white bushy tail. I think may try to look for antlers first. The current yearly limit on lions harvested in Unit 12/Zone B stands at 14. There are many stock tanks located throughout House Rock Valley and the antelope herds tend to center their activities on these water sources depending on the frequency of summer monsoons. No off-road travel by motor vehicles is allowed. Conditions can vary from 80 degrees to below freezing, from sunny to snow, and from pleasant to down right ugly. Elevations vary from 3,000' to more than 9,200', with a large plateau, the Kaibab, comprising a majority of the unit. The best hunting techniques include walking, and watching and listening while sitting with your back to a tree. Areas around Crystal Springs, Sourdough Well, and along the 610 rd near the National Park Boundary provide the best opportunity for finding the often secretive Blue Grouse. During the winter months access to areas within 12A can be extremely limited, even nonexistent. Many come with visions of 32 wide racks with multiple points per side, still others are happy with a tender yearling forkhorn. Yearly reported harvest figures fluctuate around 1 dozen lions with most of these animals taken by houndsmen during the winter months. If I draw a 12A deer tag I will be there around Labor Day. Non-resident draw odds reach 100% at ~12-13 bonus points for both units. Learn more. Four-wheel drive, chains, shovels, and winches can keep you hunting instead of being stuck for a day. Elk season dates can be found in the regulations. We hunt a variety of units in Arizona. Four-wheel drive, chains, shovels, and winches can keep you hunting instead of being stuck for a day. Pronghorn are also found along the edge of the plateau in the pinyon-juniper transition zone. . *There are currently no Population Management Seasons for elk tags available for successfully drawn deer hunters in Units 12A East and/or West. Most of the scouting packages we offer are two days. Unlock the secrets of limited license lotteries and discover drawing and harvest trends to create a better hunt planning strategy. The nonpermit-tag hunts in Units 12A and 12B are open through Dec. 31, while the nonpermit-tag hunts in Units 13A and 13B are open through Sept. 11, then again from Nov. 4 through Dec. 31. Welcome to the board. A good bird dog can be of great assistance in retrieving downed birds. Dispersed camping is allowed along BLM routes. Thus it is important to be prepared with suitable shelter, plenty of food, water and lots of extra fuel. That was our initial thoughts on region. Concentrate in areas dominated by this type of vegetation and look for turkey tracks in the snow, mud, dust, or around water sources. Once a track is located the hounds are released and the lion is pursued until treed. Find areas overlooking large open expanses and plan on sitting still for hours on end and glassing until you feel like your eyes are going to fall out. Bring binoculars and spotting scopes. As a result of continued drought those areas of higher elevation, specifically those areas with spruce/fir/aspen forests have been the most productive areas for the past several years. Travel Management Planning Update: The BLM is the primary federal land management agency across unit12B. Hunt success figures have fluctuated around the 40-50% range for the last decade, some of the highest hunt success for mule deer in the state. Be patient, many long time grouse hunters often return to camp, after a long day of walking, with an empty vest. To hunt Unit 12B or 12B you must now obtain a permit-tag through the big game draw process. Both of these units make up a portion of . This is the classic western mule deer hunt. Keep movements to a minimum, scan the surrounding area constantly, and listen for turkey vocalizations. According to Arizona Game and Fish, Hunt No. Majority of the deer harvested on the early hunt are younger bucks around 2 years of age. The Kaibab Plateau ranges from 6,000 to 9,200; vegetation consists of ponderosa pine, mixed conifer, and aspen. Travel Management Plans have been completed for the entire Paria Plateau/Vermilion Cliffs National Monument, and are in the process for the western half of 12B including the buckskin mountains. Home. In addition to the 48-hr reporting requirement, the hunter (or their designee) needs to present the mountain lions skull and hide with attached proof of sex to a designated Arizona Game and Fish Department employee for inspection within 10 days of taking the mountain lion. After a snow storm a hunter will drive the roads found within the 12A winter deer range early in the morning looking for tracks. Forest road 68G accesses Tule Mesa, and forest road 68 access the Pine Mountain Wilderness. Overview: Unit 12A is home to one of the most unique game animals in Arizona and perhaps the nation. This behavior includes becoming more and more nocturnal, spending more time in thick aspen and mixed conifer stands, and remaining in unroaded canyon habitats. Arizona Elk Hunting, Draw Odds Results and Harvest Data - Toprut.com. The best hunting techniques include walking, and watching and listening while sitting with your back to a tree. This is a small resident herd and is not part of the deer that migrate from Paunsaugunt or the Kaibab. Good optics are a must for both scouting and glassing during your hunt. If old man winter has not yet shown his face follow the suggestions given for the early hunt and good luck. Overview: The world famous, or infamous, Kaibab Mule Deer herd. Data currently indicates that buck: doe ratios, a very important management statistic, have rebounded as of late and are significantly higher than the statewide average. Also look for turkey scratch, those locations where flocks of turkeys have been feeding and have disturbed the litter layer of the forest floor. The most common technique for lion hunting in Unit 12 is similar to that used throughout the Rim country in Arizona. From the South: None. Like mentioned above check the g&f site and give the manager a call. The Kaibab has supplied many happy hunting experiences in the past and will hopefully continue to do so for generations to come. On the ever in demand 12A late hunt, pray (if religious) for snow. Arizona is landlocked, and its terrain is comprised of deep canyons, high- and low-elevation deserts, many natural rock formations, and volcanic mountain ranges. Concentrate on areas that are more inaccessible. The health and longevity of this winter range is critical to the long term sustainability of the 12A deer herd. Page, Marble Canyon, Jacob Lake, Cliff Dwellers, Fredonia, Major Highways and Roads Leading To A good bird dog can be of great assistance in retrieving downed birds. There's nothing like autumn on the North Kaibab and Arizona Strip. Elevation ranges from 4000 to 7000 feet with vegetation consisting primarily of pinion-juniper and sagebrush flats. Glassing from the slopes of the Kaibab plateau can give you a higher vantage point. Concentrate in areas dominated by this type of vegetation and look for turkey tracks in the snow, mud, dust, or around water sources. Shooting from a vehicle and from the roadway is also prohibited. In the last couple of years, only a few elk have been spotted along the 12A/12B/12BW boundary on the west side of the Kaibab Plateau. Come join the discussion about safety, gear, tips, tricks, optics, gunsmithing, reviews, reports, accessories, classifieds, and more! Since 2016 a slight decline in the number of squirrels observed has taken place. Address 123 Main Street New York, NY 10001, Hours MondayFriday: 9:00AM5:00PM Saturday & Sunday: 11:00AM3:00PM. Once a track is located the hounds are released and the lion is pursued until treed. But it is any elk so.At least you'll get to see a lot of the Grand Canyon. A map of the zones can be found at mountain lion management zones map. The bulls I saw near Bryce were while mule deer hunting. Full Guided hunts. Look for areas with mixed conifer, aspens, and berry bushes in close proximity. Areas: Concentrate your efforts on the southeast side of the Plateau in sub-unit 12AE. The north rim of the Paria Canyon is accessed from Big Water, Utah and also requires 4-wheel drive due to soft sand. Traveling off established roads is prohibited throughout House Rock Valley on BLM and Wilderness land. However, locating and harvesting an antlerless deer is likely to become more challenging as these animals become more educated about two-legged visitors to the plateau. Check for current or recent wildfires in this area. Arizona units down on the border can also provide some good mule deer hunting. During both the spring and fall hunts be safe and acquire positive target identification. New Harvest Thresholds When the number of harvested mountain lions reaches the threshold, that zone closes to the additional harvest of mountain lions at sundown the Wednesday immediately following. The large canyons and rocky areas that form the edges of the Kaibab and Paria plateaus are likely areas to locate lion sign. The Vermillion Cliffs and Paria Plateau in 12BE, the western side of Buckskin Mountain, and the Gunsight peninsula including Kanab Creek and Snake Gulch have seen harvests in recent years, and are good starting points. Elk Hunting Arizona Elk 2a,2b,2c Ronin75 Oct 26, 2019 Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member R Ronin75 Well-Known Member Joined Feb 29, 2012 Messages 570 Oct 26, 2019 #1 Anyone have experience hunting the above units for elk? The current yearly limit on lions harvested in Unit 12 stands at 14. Included in these hunts are bull only, antlerless and even 275 any-elk tags. Use temperature ranges to plan and prepare for your hunt. Send us an email at [emailprotected] to learn more. If frost has cured out the summer range forage and some cold weather has struck, concentrate your efforts in the pinyon/juniper areas and even farther out in the sage and open canyon country. Once a track is located the hounds are released and the lion is pursued until treed. As the season progresses mule deer bucks on the plateau become more and more secretive. Mature grouse average between 2 and 4 pounds of succulent white meat and provide delicious table fare. Books and countless articles have been written on the subject. Before each hunting trip, verify that the zone is still open, by calling 877-438-0447 or checking online: view harvest thresholds and zone closures. Keep movements to a minimum, scan the surrounding area constantly, and listen for turkey vocalizations. Weather can vary by elevation. First, on an archery hunt dont bother with pinyon/juniper areas unless it has snowed (not likely). Deer from the North Kaibab start migrating northward to merge with the Utah deer in early-November. Hunters obtaining an elk tag should be aware that this unit has few elk and is considered a limited opportunity hunt. Yearly reported harvest figures fluctuate around 1 dozen lions with most of these animals taken by houndsmen during the winter months. Major Cities and Towns in or Near Game Management Unit and Nearest Gas, Food, and Lodging Elevations range from approximately 4,000 in Glen Canyon to 7,000 on the Paria Plateau. Unit 3a/3c - second choice. This is my first year being drawn for elk and got a tag for all 12 and 13 units for any elk and this tag is good until April of '19. Likewise, hunters who want to hunt the Paria Plateau must apply for a 12B permit. Elevation ranges are based on weather stations in or near the unit. Having extra spare tires would also be a good idea. Grouse often flush at close range in thick cover so be prepared for quick shooting. Data currently indicates that buck: doe ratios, a very important management statistic, have rebounded as of late and are significantly higher than the statewide average. There are 1,685 limited opportunity general (rifle) elk tags available in units all over Arizona. The Grand Canyon National Park is not open to hunting. Several restaurants, store, fuel, dump stations available in several locations between Jacob and the rim. There is also a small herd that lives just south of Fredonia in the grassland/ low shrub density areas. Good boots, parkas, and camping gear can make or break your hunt. It has also been introduced in the San Francisco Peaks area near Flagstaff. North of Kane Ranch, there are a few groups of antelope scattered throughout the rolling hills. Other Pertinent Climate Information Dont be a statistic. Units 36A, B and C and unit 35A and 35B have good populations of mule deer (and whitetail deer). Follow a few simple rules and your chance of success will increase exponentially. The AZ/UT state line on a GPS unit is N37 00.0 latitude. However, for the past few years, bison have been seen near Wall Lake, as well as along Forest Service Roads 219B, 223, 270, and 610. Elk in those areas are VERY few and far between, and if I were you, I wouldn't waste any more $$ on attempting to hunt it. There are several small herds that reside on the north side of Highway 89A in the grassland. Some say the great days of the Kaibab are past, others maintain things are as good or better than ever, and still others claim things will be great in the future. Bighorn have typically been harvested along the rim of the Paria Plateau near Bush Head, Powells Monument, and Fisher Point. Huge bucks, forkhorns, and even does have been the objects of desire for hunters in this unit. Also, several lions are sighted each year by hunters glassing canyons and watching waters. Grand Canyon National Park, North Rim 928 638-7870 Create a free account to read the rest of this elk hunting note! Create a free account to read the rest of this terrain note! The Kaibab uplift extends into Utah about 15 miles, so a big bull might wander to the south and spend summer up in the high country (the Kaibab runs for 60 miles above 8000 ft and down at the GC park boundary it's over 9000). Major Cities and Towns in or Near Game Management Unit and Nearest Gas, Food, and Lodging Also, before the hunt begins, study topo maps and enlist the aid of others who have hunted the area before. Hunters can report their mountain lion harvest in person, by telephone at 1-877-438-0447, or online at https://www.azgfd.com/Hunting/Questionnaires/. This is a large area, so scouting will be beneficial. A map of the zones can be found at Mountain Lion management zone map. Studies have shown that the Paunsaugunt deer arrive in Unit 12B in mid-October through early November, extending southward about 8 miles into Arizona. Areas: Chukar are found throughout the Kanab Creek drainage and associated side canyons and in Paria Canyon and Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness Area. Books and countless articles have been written on the subject. Elevations vary from 3,000 to more than 9,200, with a large plateau, the Kaibab, comprising a majority of the unit. This herd generally varies from 15 to 30 animals, depending on movement between 13A and Utah. Forage quality and snowfall will push the deer to the lower winter range. The average age of a buck harvested on the late hunts has climbed from just over two years of age to over 4 years of age in the past several years, yearling buck weights have stabilized at an acceptable level in recent years and as a result antler development has been excellent. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This unit is not known for producing large bulls, though elk in the 300-inch or larger range are occasionally taken. Practice with a flat shooting rifle at longer distances before the hunt begins. Less pressure o grow big? The Grand Canyon National Park is not open to hunting. Concentrate on areas that are more inaccessible. Antlerless Hunting: After several years of antlerless hunting, many of the does on the plateau have become as hunter-wise as most bucks. It is recommended that hunters do not apply for this hunt in the draw but rather purchase the tags at a significant discount as left over tags. This behavior includes becoming more and more nocturnal, spending more time in thick aspen and mixed conifer stands, and remaining in unroaded canyon habitats. This is the classic western mule deer hunt. Just remember that there are always exceptions to the rule, and land ownership is just one piece of the puzzle. The short story is that at several west side springs where I expected to find rubs and wallows, there were none. Arizona Unit 8 Elk Hunting. Many hunters utilize horses and mules, snowmobiles, and other recreational vehicles to overcome these access limitations. As the fall progresses the deer become more and more secretive. Concentrate your efforts in areas with rim-rock and significant changes in elevation. Anyone drawing a 16A elk tag should be prepared to work hard on both scouting and hunting trips. G&F has enough problems with buffalo in that area and doesn't want ANY elk getting established in the Kaibab. Use the link, or scan code to get to this page and select the questionnaire for your hunt. . Harvesting birds should be viewed as a bonus. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 12A includes the Kaibab plateau that actually starts in southern Utah and rising up to the south to 9300+ ft. Hunters can report their mountain lion harvest in person, by telephone at 1-877-438-0447, or online. Areas:Any areas with concentrations of deer often have lions associated with them. The hunter questionnaire link is located on the back of your tag. The separation of 12BW from 12B was designed to limit the number of hunters and the deer harvest on the Paria Plateau, but not restrict a hunter with a 12B permit to only hunting the Paria Plateau. There are very few elk in this unit. Beginning at U.S. Hwy 89A and the Kaibab National Forest boundary near mp 566; southerly and easterly along the forest boundary to Grand Canyon National Park; northeasterly along the park boundary to Glen Canyon National Recreation area; easterly along the recreation area boundary to the Colorado River; northeasterly along the Colorado River to the Arizona-Utah state line; westerly along the state line to Kanab Creek; southerly along Kanab Creek to the Kaibab National Forest boundary; northerly, easterly, and southerly along this boundary to U.S. Hwy 89A near mp 566; except those portions that are sovereign tribal lands of the Kaibab Band of Paiute Indians. Read about advertising on huntscore here. 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